"Not everyone cherishes their individuality. Some people've had so much bad happen in their lives they think that relinquishing that control to someone else will make the pain stop. But when they realize how it'll be done, they get angry, they fight back, because it's in their nature. That's when the brainwashing starts, because you don't just voluntarily leave the Qun. They don't allow it, not without labeling someone a traitor. Tal-Vashoth, that's what Bull called it."

Krem took a moment to finish the last of his drink, then put the tankard aside on the top of a barrel. He shook his head, pulling some at his gauntlets. "I've seen enough pain in my life. Made a lot of friends who were slaves under masters that would hurt them for making a simple mistake. I hated it. I'd never do that. The Chantry, they hurt people with words, strip them of rights and credibility. In some ways, they're just like the Qunari."

"You're not very good at washing, are you?"